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Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
5:34 PM EDT 9/5/08
The Internet has had a profound impact on the way libraries do business. As the Internet continues to change and grow, as well as our patron’s expectations on accessing information, how do you think this will change the way libraries look, feel and operate?
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
12:09 PM EDT 9/6/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I think this is a very exciting time for libraries. If we can "think outside the box", just technology alone will change the face of the library in ways that we can't even begin to imagine. And maybe not just in the form of computers! For one, the computer access in our library have made our library a more interactive place than the traditional library. Our library is no longer the quiet, look for a book library. There are usually at least 2 kids looking at one computer screen finding really cool stuff. I love hearing their excitement as they surf the web. Already, the time I save ordering items online is a life saver not to mention a postage saver. Our libraries will be hip with going green as we continue to work with less paper. It wouldn't bother me to have fewer paper piles on my desk! I think we will be looking at a whole new system of interlibrary loans. It can only get better as all the libraries in Iowa work toward a unified automated system. Isn't it amazing that materials from other libraries will be available at our finger tips and viewable by patrons from library to library over the web? Wow! I can't wait to see what libraries will be like in 10 years. Especially our library, I have a dream of making it very non-traditional place. We need to be unique as we have two very traditional libraries in close proximity. One is less than 5 miles away and the other about 12 miles. We need something to set us apart. Whether or not the board agrees with me is a different story! Maria-AV Public Library
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
7:08 PM EDT 9/7/08
as a reply to Maria Popken.
I am responding to Maria's post as sort of a test to figure out whether Web Junction is behaving. What struck me about Maria's posting was that computers will help us become more "green." I think you're right... Even though it's been said before I think that our culture is more amenable to this. In 1985 I worked for a company that introduced an automated order-entry system. The mainframe computer took up a large room on its own. It was extremely inflexible -- well, either that or the geeks behind it were -- I remember asking for reports to be generated and the waiting list was 3-7 years depending on what we asked for because they had to write the programs. Anyway, back then we were told that we would be totally "paperless". That never did happen... maybe because the available technology couldn't truly support being "paperless" or maybe because workers didn't trust technology. Maybe now with 5 back-ups to everything we can move toward "paperless"..  Maria Popken: I think this is a very exciting time for libraries. If we can "think outside the box", just technology alone will change the face of the library in ways that we can't even begin to imagine. And maybe not just in the form of computers! For one, the computer access in our library have made our library a more interactive place than the traditional library. Our library is no longer the quiet, look for a book library. There are usually at least 2 kids looking at one computer screen finding really cool stuff. I love hearing their excitement as they surf the web. Already, the time I save ordering items online is a life saver not to mention a postage saver. Our libraries will be hip with going green as we continue to work with less paper. It wouldn't bother me to have fewer paper piles on my desk! I think we will be looking at a whole new system of interlibrary loans. It can only get better as all the libraries in Iowa work toward a unified automated system. Isn't it amazing that materials from other libraries will be available at our finger tips and viewable by patrons from library to library over the web? Wow! I can't wait to see what libraries will be like in 10 years. Especially our library, I have a dream of making it very non-traditional place. We need to be unique as we have two very traditional libraries in close proximity. One is less than 5 miles away and the other about 12 miles. We need something to set us apart. Whether or not the board agrees with me is a different story! Maria-AV Public Library
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
7:16 PM EDT 9/7/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I think we are already under going these changes in how the internet and technology is changing in public libraries. We started with adding computers, automation systems, internet and now offer totally browser based library experience where a patron can checkout, read/listen/view, renew the items, review them, and read/write a review on the item and patrons can now even pay their fines online. These computer tasks are now even moving to texting and mobile devices. I feel that libraries will look the same for sometime, books and other material will remain in print form as it is easy to use, cost effective, and available to everyone. (You don't need a computer/cell phone to access these items or the know-how). Libraries are and will be places for people, not just books. Most major changes, I feel, will be a patrons experience as self-check out stations and computer catalogs take over the roles of the human librarian. This however, will not replace or remove the human component, email has yet to take over snail mail, record stores have not yet totally falling by the wayside to Itunes and the like. Humans create, provide, and giving training for these Library 2.0 items, so there is a demand for people. However, if we as librarians do NOT embrace and support technology we cannot compete with these other alternatives and meet the needs of all of out patrons both young and old. The changes in technology are not only changing the patron experience it is changing how we as the staff work in our library. Technology has made it easy to create websites, flyers, and other 2.0 widgets to provide more with (one would hope) less work. Ordering books, Interlibrary Loans, and reference questions has changed a lot in the past few years. To me technology/internet are built off of the same ethos as public libraries, when one has access to them they level the information gap, for example we can now run complex statistics in a few mouse clicks, get access to the same research materials as a much larger and better funded library, and create and share information in a heartbeat.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
8:17 PM EDT 9/7/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
Technology has changed the way our library functions so much in just a few years. I can't imagine all the changes that we will be doing in just the next five years. I'm thinking now of Web Junction. Look at the change it has made in just a few months. This can be a great tool for us to discuss problems and get feed back from other Librarians once all the kinks get ironed out. We as Librarians need to push ourselves to keep up with the computer technology. Libraries will always have books. Many things are already on line. More patrons in the future will come to the Library to down load book and music and less will check out the book itself. We need to keep up the pace to give our commuity what they need and want.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
11:47 AM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
The Internet has changed our small library already. We use the Internet to conduct library business, making it faster and more cost effective. In small libraries the Internet can really help enhance their research capabilities. In today's world where information and technology are changing so fast it is hard to keep reference materials current. Using the Internet as a reference tool can help a smaller library provide current information to it's patrons and not break the budget. It is also a great way to stay in touch with other libraries and share information about libraries. One of the things I enjoyed in PLM1 was the opportunity to use the web boards. Having the capability to discuss with other librarians the day to day problems and concerns we all face is very helpful. I feel that as librarians we need to embrace technology in order to help our patrons feel comfortable with it. There are definitely going to be changes in how libraries look and operate in the future. I think it is our job to help prepare our patrons for these changes and show them how it can make their library experience better.
After thought--- Technology is great when it works. I have made several attempts to post to this thread before one actually worked.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
2:48 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I've been contemplating this quite a bit lately as I want to do a remodel of my library that takes it down to the bare walls and starts from scratch. I want a warm and contemporary library with really comfy furniture and twenty laptops with easy access to internet (I don't know if I can get wireless down in this valley, but I can always just add a whole lot of T1 outlets). I want this library to still be about books, but I like the idea of having ten or twenty kids sprawled all over the comfy furniture (with their shoes off) reading or using the laptops. I'd like to have a Barnes and Noble inspired library, hold the starbucks. Although if I let them put one in my storage room would they pay for my renovation.... Sorry, took a little wander there. I guess I don't see libraries changing much in the basic outline of their purpose. It's still all about information, but how we impart it and the tools we use are consistently changing. Libraries are going to have to be consistently on the cutting edge of technology which is a real budget stomper. We're going to have to be just as well versed in the lingo of the times as the tech natives floating in to check our wares. As much as I hate to say it, it may be time to loose our grip on the book and take up the mouse instead. Why keep an extensive non fiction collection when some of this material is outdated before it even gets into the building? Why not let the net take over? Why not just keep a very specified non fiction section of subjects your patrons like (here it'd be true crime, history, and biography) and let the rest be found via keyboard? I'm deeply divided on this issue, because as someone who uses the internet as a research tool, I understand its potential to make life easier for all of us, but as a full blooded bibliophile I can't help bemoaning the loss of book culture. New computer smell is nothing compared to old book in my humble opinion, but then again, Socrates said writing would be the death of the mind, so why bemoan the internet? I think I'll stop there, as I'm fairly certain I just hurt my brain..
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
2:59 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Andrew Hoppmann.
That's it!!! I just rambled for, like, fifteen minutes trying to say this same thing, sort of! I want my library to be a living, breathing space for people to enjoy themselves. Computer access does help to make this happen by bringing people in, requiring them to communicate with me and one another, and learn new stuff. Soon it becomes less about WHAT you went in for than about WHO you went in to see. This may be the beginning of the second wave of library as social gathering place. Lehigh Library at one time was a hangout more than a library during the late 70s and early 80s. I'd like to see that happen again. And with this new technology, the hanging out at the library experience can be enhanced by using the technology to find what keeps your group together like new card games, fishing tournament info, scrapbooking patterns, or even building your group's own blog discussing the consistent change occurring in small rural areas. I could get used to this idea very easily.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
3:37 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I think the Library will have to offer more time for the availability of the computers. We in my case especially will have to convience the city council that we have to have the library open more hours so it will be more readily available to the public. With everything changing so fast we as a library will have to keep up with the changes in techology, that might be a little diffecult with our budgets. I think the library will still be a place to check out books, but we will need to keep up to date and still draw our younger patrons in. Elaine from Cushing Comm. Library
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
3:42 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
First of all, I think that books are here to stay regardless of what happens with technology. People in a variety of fields have been proclaiming the death of the book for 30+ years and reading is still an extremely publishing activity and publishers are still doing pretty well. However, although I haven't used a Kindle, from what I have heard, I plan on keeping an eye on them because, if the price goes down and some of the bugs get worked out, we may begin to have on-line collections of books for kindle, similar to audiobooks for mp3 players. Libraries will increasingly continue to do business on-line. One of the big challenges for libraries is going to be to stay relevant to an increasingly technology saturated generation while at the same time, not ignoring one of the largest populations of elderly people ever. One possible futuristic scenario to help homebound patrons would be a centralized state library that would work similar to Netflix or BookSwim to serve homebound library patrons.
I think libraries will continue the transformation that has already begun from book repositories to community centers. While books will still be a large part of the building space, more space will be allotted to areas of varying sizes where people can meet and interact. Libraries will be looking for furniture that can be used flexibly, rather than having a chair and table that always sit one designated spot, maybe a couple of chairs and a small corner or occasional table that can be easily relocated as needed.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
3:45 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Maria Popken.
Maria I agree with you about the library not the "shh" you have to be quiet place, we to have 2-3 kids looking on the the same screen or one find something and call another over to look at it. I try to keep the noise to a soft roar butif there arn't alot of people in the library at the time I just let them go for it as long as it doesn't get to loud.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
3:50 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
leldred Springville Our little library went from 1 shared computer with patrons to 2 office computers (internet) and 9 patron computers. the shock was amazing. We had a young man call in and reserve our 1 computer at 1:00 most of the summer. When we moved to the new library he just did not know what to do with all these other people around him. We are able to offer so many more services, adults come in regularly, Community College students , and of course the afterschool crowd. The internet and computers will change our library forever, we are no longer the book place.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
4:05 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I would love to have a seperate computer lab so when there are a lot of kids on the computers it won't feel like they are right on top of my desk. If we did have a seperate computer lab we would have the space to add more computers. I would like my library to feel like a community center and gathering place for all our citizens.I would also love to automated in the near future.  Since we do have a small budget I do see my library relying more and more on the Internet and databases for patrons accessing information.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
4:15 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Joy Metzger.
I agree with you that the Internet is a great way for smaller libraries to keep up with new information and technology. I just don't have the money in the budget to order a lot of reference materials. I think it is also a great way to stay in touch with other librarians.I enjoy hearing that I'm not the only librarian dealing with the same issues everyday.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
4:45 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I think in towns like this where the older, reading population is declining, the library's emphasis will be on the technology we can offer. Even the kids who come in with their moms to get books always have an eye on the computers. The interesting thing is, most of the people who come in strictly for books don't use the computers. I'd say over half the people who come and use the computers, then check something out before they leave. I believe it will be really important to stay as up-to-date as possible with thi internet, but don't forget to keep good reading material on hand, also. Libraries need to lose the impression that they are places of silence, where you have to browse quietly and speak in whispers. Who enjoys that? The kids who come in here, whether it's to play games on the computers or the Wii, are enjoying themselves. My board expressed concern at the first meeting after we purched a Wii, that they might be distracting the other patrons. In the first place, there were seldom any other patrons in. In the second place, I would sometimes ask adults, after the kids had left, if they were making too much noise, and they always said no. For other kids, it's never an issue; young people these days find it impossible to work in a quiet atmosphere. I see the libraries, hopefully, becoming more of a social place, a good place to learn manners and consideration, along with the things you can learn on the web.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
5:11 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Maria Popken.
Yikes! Just when I think I have this figured out, my messages aren't appearing! Anyway, this may be posted twice. I agree with the "going green", as I had a patron in during the summer who was taking classes at an area college. She mentioned that this school is trying to save paper by having the students submit homework, take tests, etc. on line. My daughter is taking a couple classes there now, and without internet access, she couldn't do it.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
5:52 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Sarah Clendineng.
Sarah Clendineng: First of all, I think that books are here to stay regardless of what happens with technology. People in a variety of fields have been proclaiming the death of the book for 30+ years and reading is still an extremely publishing activity and publishers are still doing pretty well. However, although I haven't used a Kindle, from what I have heard, I plan on keeping an eye on them because, if the price goes down and some of the bugs get worked out, we may begin to have on-line collections of books for kindle, similar to audiobooks for mp3 players. Libraries will increasingly continue to do business on-line. One of the big challenges for libraries is going to be to stay relevant to an increasingly technology saturated generation while at the same time, not ignoring one of the largest populations of elderly people ever. One possible futuristic scenario to help homebound patrons would be a centralized state library that would work similar to Netflix or BookSwim to serve homebound library patrons.
I think libraries will continue the transformation that has already begun from book repositories to community centers. While books will still be a large part of the building space, more space will be allotted to areas of varying sizes where people can meet and interact. Libraries will be looking for furniture that can be used flexibly, rather than having a chair and table that always sit one designated spot, maybe a couple of chairs and a small corner or occasional table that can be easily relocated as needed. All great ideas. We have a great many elderly here in town and I pick out their books and deliver them. What a good idea to centralize and give them more choices. Our younger people need a place to access the technology and everyone needs a gathering place. We have small groups come in for different activities and often they will wander around afterwards and check out a book. They more we get them in the door for whatever reason the more relevant the library can be to our community.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
6:16 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
The Internet has had a profound impact on the way libraries do business. As the Internet continues to change and grow, as well as our patron’s expectations on accessing information, how do you think this will change the way libraries look, feel and operate? It is a big concern for me that ALL information will be accessed by the computer and that our "inventory"/books  will be obsolete. As it is now, we have discontinued, for now, any budgets on updating reference materials as they are not checked out. As we discussed in Johnston though it is a concern about the quality of information they are choosing on line. Do you think that libraries will eventually just be internet cafes?  Our last community survey indicated that they would love a coffee corner in the library!!
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
6:21 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Elaine Droegmiller.
I would agree to a point. LOVE having headphones for them, so I don't have to hear everything they are listening to, games, music, etc. As a substitute teacher I have talked to the kids alot about books vs. movies, especially books made into movies. We discuss how when you read a book YOU get to decide how the character looks and the sound of their voice. With a movie, someone has already decided that for you. NO big surprise, the majority, by alot, prefer movies.
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RE: Session 9 - The Internet and the Library
7:00 PM EDT 9/8/08
as a reply to Michele Leininger.
I think the Library is changing fast and if we don't keep up with the changes we are going to be left behind. As technology advances, we as Library Directors are going to be called on more for teaching and showing the patrons (those that don't have them in their homes) how to do things. I think the Library staff will have to be more knowledgable of the technology of computers. As budgets lessen, computers techs cannot be called on for every little thing that goes wrong.
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